threesixty
12:08 Tue Sep 15
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Peckham
"What difference can they make in the last 10 minutes playing time or even 20 minutes when the whole 11 are out of shape and losing.
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if that was the case no one would make any subs would they?
I've seen players like Arnie, Antonio etc.. come on and change the game. Thats what big money / big game players are meant to do. Wilshire did it for Arsenal when he was there.
The reason Haller, Anderson and Wilshire are on big money is they have shown in the past they are that level of player. So fuck blaming coaches. You get on that pitch and you fight and put yourself about.
Its amazing what we put up with nowadays as fans. Its like the Ozil thing at Arsenal. Living off past glory but every time your on the pitch you give fuck all and then blame the manager. The reality is you dont care and your doing just enough to get by and pick up a salary.
Also. dont forget its not like these guys are killing it in training and Moyes cant wait to start them. They CANT be doing it in training at all, because he hasnt started them in about 4 months! If he could sell everyone of them now I'm 100% sure he would. There just a waste of space right now.
I'm hoping they improve but I'm not seeing it.
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Peckham
7:16 Mon Sep 14
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threesixty 7:04 Mon Sep 14 seriously yes.
They need to be regular starters to shine. Fuck Wiltshere.
What difference can they make in the last 10 minutes playing time or even 20 minutes when the whole 11 are out of shape and losing.
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Peckham
7:12 Mon Sep 14
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Even Diop was a monster for us at some point.
No continuity with management and this is the end result. Players lose confidence and like us faith in their bosses.
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Dagenhammer
7:05 Mon Sep 14
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Agree with an earlier poster.
Any coach worth his salt should be able to get the players in our squad performing/ Balbuena is a classic example, we have seen that on his day he can play, as can Haller and Anderson. A good coach would be able to bring that out of them.
It is all about player management, coaching and tactics, sadly Moyes cannot seem to get any of the three right.
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threesixty
7:04 Mon Sep 14
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Peckham seriously?
Have you not seen Anderson, Wilshire and Haller play recently?
When we really needed them they were shit.
Its that simple.
When they came on as subs they were shit.
The came on at the weekend and how did they change the game exactly?
I dont understand why people on 80 grand plus a week need to be motivated to fucking play football. Fuck them. I dont care if Moyes gran was in charge, fucking play properly or fuck off.
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Peckham
7:04 Mon Sep 14
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Rusta 6:47 Mon Sep 14
I 100% agree with you Rusta.
Haller is not a lone striker.
Anderson has skills and pace and would fly in an attacking team, that does not have poor full backs.
Yarmolenko has a killer left foot and gets stuck in with the tackles.
I agree under better management or with a better defence they would flourish.
It is fucking crazy as the only reason Haller was an exciting purchase or got good coverage at Frankfurt was due to having a partner up front to play off and gave assists galore. Yet he does not get a look in and when he does its as a lone striker. I think he appears moody 1. He is French 2. He has had enough of false promises also.
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Peckham
6:48 Mon Sep 14
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Spandex Sidney 2:58 Mon Sep 14
Agreed Spandex.
But he lost all integrity coming back again. If he was to walk, with a care taker manager I can not see results changing .
But for him to walk would dent the egos of GSB again. It seems only when their egos are dented they respond.
To bring back a back room team that have all failed, is not evolving.
It is like he is not playing 100m worth of talent as to prove a point that Pellegrini signed shit.
I still do not see how we can not play 2 up front and he has had 3 years watching West Ham and still no solid defence.
Moyes knew he was going to have to get the best out of the squad he inherited and he has failed to find a solid starting 11.
His words - The squad is better than before.
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Rusta
6:47 Mon Sep 14
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I know it’s not a popular opinion but I reckon Yarmo, Haller and even Anderson could all flourish with the right manager...
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Come On You Irons
6:43 Mon Sep 14
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Jaan Kenbrovin 6:23 Mon Sep 14
The answer may lie in the fact that two of them are lazy, disinterested cunts and the third is a classic, brittle, West Ham sick note.
Three awful, awful signings.
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Jaan Kenbrovin
6:23 Mon Sep 14
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I just can’t get over how we as a club invest around 100m on Anderson, Yarmolenko and Haller, then appoint a two bob manager that doesn’t see any of them as starters?
If Gold & Sullivan had appointed a chairman that had achieved the same outcome, they’d have to be mental not to want to sack him for that, yet neither of them will accept just how crippling the idiocy of their ownership has been.
This is why they’ll just blame Moyes for not doing well enough if we are inevitably fighting relegation again by December. They’ll just spin the wheel of managerial fortune and hope they strike it lucky again.
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Jasnik
3:56 Mon Sep 14
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Do you think Moyes could be sacked if we continue losing? -- well that how it works eventually
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threesixty
3:36 Mon Sep 14
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"Yarma who he doesn't start you mean?"
"looks like" a starter. I can see Yarma starting a game (I think fitness is the issue not really performance), I cannot see Anderson, Wilshere or even Haller starting a PL game right now.
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El Scorchio
3:20 Mon Sep 14
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'he is the symptom, not the illness.'
Abso-bloody-lutely.
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Spandex Sidney
2:58 Mon Sep 14
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David Moyes is not who any of us would want here. But he is the symptom, not the illness.
I think we need to be directing 100% of our feelings to the illness, Moyes is just doing what he does, let him get on with it.
The reason is so that we don't let them cunts off the hook when when they sack him and tell us 'well he was the problem, you all wanted him gone, all you did is moan about him'
The board are the problem, not David Moyes. And if you anger is directed to him them it dilutes the medicine we need to deliver directly to the cancer in our football club
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Johnson
2:50 Mon Sep 14
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Yarma who he doesn't start you mean?
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threesixty
2:48 Mon Sep 14
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Moyes has had Wilshire, Anderson, Haller and Yarma for nearly a year now and no one except Yarma really looks like a starter for us. Yet on paper if we hadnt seen these players at our club we'd all think that that 4 would rescue West Ham right now.
What a shitty problem we have. I dont know if any manager could sort this out without buying new players. Doesnt matter if its Allegri or Pep.
The thing is, selling Diop and Rice will get you alot of money but will the right players want to come here anyway? Thats the big problem with West ham. We only get the "off cuts" when it comes to players because the board never care about our reputation. They cant see how damaging it is to recruitment to be constantly in relegation battles!
How can we be offering more than 25m for the burnley defender and doubling his wages or whatever for a london club, and he still be dithering? Cos no one wants to come who is established. The chairmen really have no idea how to run a football club despite doing it for donkeys years. Unreal.
I think Moyes' ability to spot a bargain will be what keeps him here. He seems to know what a good player is. Thats his best attribute really.
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El Scorchio
1:57 Mon Sep 14
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Yes. And the next 6 fixtures will be very difficult to get much out of.
They'll make him the scapegoat to cover their backsides for yet again not addressing the problems we have with our squad, and in addition selling Diangana out from underneath him and pissing off the whole of the existing squad.
TBH they have created an environment at the club where any manager has a tough task not to fail, let alone Moyes. I see a very tough season ahead if Saturday is anything to go by.
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Mr Kenzo
1:57 Mon Sep 14
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Knowing our owners, they would probably make Moyes DOF and move in Nolan to manage the side.
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Golden Oldie
1:57 Mon Sep 14
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Same as when Pellegrini was in charge and those calling for his sacking were warned from previous experience with the porn barons that whoever they have in mind won't necessarily be better, in fact it's almost a damn certainty they wont be.
Who knows it could all turn out rosy for us and they'll bring back both Grant and Roeder as the uber management team to take us forward to the same destination.
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Bungo
1:55 Mon Sep 14
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Pee Wee 12:19 Mon Sep 14
It would be entertaining to see how he would engineer this without being on the pitch himself.
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diehardhammer
1:44 Mon Sep 14
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tell you what wouldn't shock me...
IF (big emphasis) Moyes does get sacked, they go for Sean Dyche.
Brady is a big fan of him and there is growing animosity between him and the Burnley board over transfer targets
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